Has anyone looked at the psychotropic drugs all the shooters were using?

[packyderms_wife]

Not a member at TB2K and no desire to rejoin. I don't recall any threads here dealing with the topic.

I'm not suggesting a ban on SSRIs, only a look at what role, if any, they played in the events.

The problem I see with SSRI's, on the whole, is not that they need to be banned, but just like antibiotics not all people will react the same way to an SSRI and this has to do with the individual type of mental illness each patient is suffering from! ie one patient may be schizoid due to physical injury, while another may be schizoid due to a chemical imbalance of sorts, the end result is the same drug won't have the same effect on every patient. My neighbor is bi-polar, severly so, she didn't respond to any of the bi-polar meds but intetestingly enough responds to one of the schizoid meds and shock treatment.

Big pharma would have us believe that one pill cures all disease when this couldn't be further from the truth.

K-

[Big Red]

The problem I see with SSRI's, on the whole, is not that they need to be banned, but just like antibiotics not all people will react the same way to an SSRI and this has to do with the individual type of mental illness each patient is suffering from! ie one patient may be schizoid due to physical injury, while another may be schizoid due to a chemical imbalance of sorts, the end result is the same drug won't have the same effect on every patient. My neighbor is bi-polar, severly so, she didn't respond to any of the bi-polar meds but intetestingly enough responds to one of the schizoid meds and shock treatment.

Big pharma would have us believe that one pill cures all disease when this couldn't be further from the truth.

K-

Exactly my point. I think they're being over-prescribed as some sort of cure-all the same way Ritalin became the drug of choice for any child who couldn't sit still for 10 minutes.

PW, I dont know what's happening here, but I find myself agreeing with a disturbing number of your posts lately. Considering how much you and I disagree on so many topics, it's a little unnerving.

[Seeking Wisdom]

I am a widower. My wife was on these drugs for the longest time. Although I can not project to the general population her experiences but I have some simple thoughts.

It is when you want to go cold turkey or forget to take them that your system goes berserk. The lack of or right balance of happy hormones in the system are so depleted that the body is very dependent on the drug. If someone is not monitored or does not care about regularity the thoughts of suicide and homicide are common withdrawal symptoms.

I think they are over prescribed to the general public. I have heard that over 25% of females in the US are currently taking these drugs. I do not know the percentage of females.

They are clearly a cause of imbalance when someone suddenly stops taking them. Just think what it is going to be like when the whole system stops and people can not get their drugs!

[Summerthyme]

Seeking Wisdom... similar effects (suicidal or violent/homicidal thoughts) ALSO occur in the first days of taking these drugs in a significant minority of patients. While you're absolutely correct that when TSHTF, those who are dependent on SSRI meds or other psychoactive drugs are going to go through hellish withdrawals, that's not their only problem.

This potential problem (the med giving a previously depressed/distressed person enough energy to actually carry out actions they had previously been unable to consider, due to a lack of physical and psychic energy) is why I keep screaming that, while the meds are useful and can be lifesaving, they need to be prescribed by specialists who then will CLOSELY monitor the patient for a MINIMUM of several weeks (on a weekly or even more frequent basis, depending on the individual and their reactions), until they are sure that this particular individual isn't likely to be one of the few who go utterly nuts on the stuff.

Just like it's NOT "guns" who kill, it's NOT "psychoactive meds" which make people crazy. But in the wrong hands... they both can be an utter disaster. And FAR too many people are being prescribed them by family practice docs, or worse, physicians assistants or nurse practitioners. And WAY too many of them have no real idea about the potential problems these meds can cause, either starting out on them or trying to get off them.

Summerthyme

[Watchingbear]

Just found this documentary posted at WRH, watched part of it so far. Just about all of these mass killers turns out to have been on them.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UDlH9...layer_embedded

[nvscanman]

There are no absolutes in life. Everything humans create, discover or utilize has
potential for both good and bad. Psychotropic drugs are no exception. What is
the issue is not the use of these drugs which admittedly get over prescribed, after
all it's easier to just throw a pill at a problem than it is to address many of the under
lying issues that make unhappy people seek chemical support, the issue is poor patient
supervision. A small portion of mental health patients simply CANNOT be trusted to take
their meds as prescribed, even with meds they are unstable and chaotic.

In older days the majority of these people would be sequestered by their family's ala Boo Radley. They would be under the direct supervision of their family's including male relatives. Lanza only had his mother to keep an eye on him. Specifically his father was
absent....divorce is hard on all kids and can easily push a fragile mind past the edge.

Many would have been institutionalized, doing the "thorazine shuffle" limits access to weapons and society pretty effectively.

The issue is of course not guns and it's NOT about SSRI's or other psychotropic drugs.
It's about the lack of family and social support young people lack and the reliance on meds
in lieu of correct and appropriate care. We need to seriously address mental health issues
in this country, not just throw chemicals at it.

[chicom]

> School Shooting <http://ssristories.com/show.php?item=2357>
>
> Prozac WITHDRAWAL
>
> 2008-02-15
>
> Illinois
>
> ** 6 Dead: 15 Wounded: Perpetrator Was in Withdrawal from Med & Acting
> Erratically
>
>
> School Shooting <http://ssristories.com/show.php?item=785>
>
> Prozac Antidepressant
>
> 2005-03-24
>
> Minnesota
>
> **10 Dead: 7 Wounded: Dosage Increased One Week before Rampage
>
>
> School Shooting <http://ssristories.com/show.php?item=1145>
>
> Paxil [Seroxat] Antidepressant
>
> 2001-03-10
>
> Pennsylvania
>
> **14 Year Old GIRL Shoots & Wounds Classmate at Catholic School
>
>
> School Shooting <http://ssristories.com/show.php?item=5007>
>
> Zoloft Antidepressant & ADHD Med
>
> 2011-07-11
>
> Alabama
>
> **14 Year Old Kills Fellow Middle School Student
>
>
> School Shooting <http://ssristories.com/show.php?item=1568>
>
> Zoloft Antidepressant
>
> 1995-10-12
>
> South Carolina
>
> **15 Year Old Shoots Two Teachers, Killing One: Then Kills Himself
>
>
> School Shooting <http://ssristories.com/show.php?item=3216>
>
> Med For Depression
>
> 2009-03-13
>
> Germany
>
> **16 Dead Including Shooter: Antidepressant Use: Shooter in Treatment For
> Depression
>
>
> School Hostage Situation <http://ssristories.com/show.php?item=4698>
>
> Med For Depression
>
> 2010-12-15
>
> France
>
> **17 Year Old with Sword Holds 20 Children & Teacher Hostage
>
>
> School Shooting Plot <http://ssristories.com/show.php?item=2779>
>
> Med For Depression WITHDRAWAL
>
> 2008-08-28
>
> Texas
>
> **18 Year Old Plots a Columbine School Attack
>
>
> School Shooting <http://ssristories.com/show.php?item=302>
>
> Anafranil Antidepressant
>
> 1988-05-20
>
> Illinois
>
> **29 Year Old WOMAN Kills One Child: Wounds Five: Kills Self
>
>
> School Shooting <http://ssristories.com/show.php?item=190>
>
> Luvox/Zoloft Antidepressants
>
> 1999-04-20
>
> Colorado
>
> **COLUMBINE: 15 Dead: 24 Wounded
>
>
> School Stabbings <http://ssristories.com/show.php?item=4852>
>
> Antidepressants
>
> 2001-06-09
>
> Japan
>
> **Eight Dead: 15 Wounded: Assailant Had Taken 10 Times his Normal Dose of
> Depression Med
>
>
> School Shooting <http://ssristories.com/show.php?item=609>
>
> Prozac Antidepressant WITHDRAWAL
>
> 1998-05-21
>
> Oregon
>
> **Four Dead: Twenty Injured
>
>
> School Stabbing <http://ssristories.com/show.php?item=5227>
>
> Med For Depression
>
> 2011-10-25
>
> Washington
>
> **Girl, 15, Stabs Two Girls in School Restroom: 1 Is In Critical Condition
>
>
> School Shooting <http://ssristories.com/show.php?item=1138>
>
> Antidepressant
>
> 2006-09-30
>
> Colorado
>
> **Man Assaults Girls: Kills One & Self
>
>
> School Machete Attack <http://ssristories.com/show.php?item=1366>
>
> Med for Depression
>
> 2001-09-26
>
> Pennsylvania
>
> **Man Attacks 11 Children & 3 Teachers at Elementary School
>
>
> School Shooting Related <http://ssristories.com/show.php?item=1711>
>
> Luvox
>
> 1993-07-23
>
> Florida
>
> **Man Commits Murder During Clinical Trial for Luvox: Same Drug as in
> COLUMBINE: Never Reported
>
>
> School Hostage Situation <http://ssristories.com/show.php?item=3761>
>
> Cymbalta Antidepressant WITHDRAWAL
>
> 2009-11-09
>
> New York
>
> **Man With Gun Inside School Holds Principal Hostage
>
>
> School Shooting <http://ssristories.com/show.php?item=1586>
>
> Antidepressants
>
> 1992-09-20
>
> Texas
>
> **Man, Angry Over Daughter's Report Card, Shoots 14 Rounds inside Elementary
> School
>
>
> School Shooting <http://ssristories.com/show.php?item=3979>
>
> SSRI
>
> 2010-02-19
>
> Finland
>
> **On Sept. 23, 2008 a Finnish Student Shot & Killed 9 Students Before
> Killing Himself
>
>
> School Shooting Threat <http://ssristoriescom/show.php?item=627>
>
> Med for Depression*
>
> 2004-10-19
>
> New Jersey
>
> **Over-Medicated Teen Brings Loaded Handguns to School
>
>
> School Shooting <http://ssristories.com/show.php?item=1725>
>
> Antidepressant?
>
> 2007-04-18
>
> Virginia
>
> **Possible SSRI Use: 33 Dead at Virginia Tech
>
>
> School Shooting <http://ssristories.com/show.php?item=1724>
>
> Antidepressant?
>
> 2002-01-17
>
> Virginia
>
> **Possible SSRI Withdrawal Mania: 3 Dead at Law School
>
>
> School Incident/Bizarre <http://ssristories.com/show.php?item=4444>
>
> Zoloft*
>
> 2010-08-22
>
> Australia
>
> **School Counselor Exhibits Bizarre Behavior: Became Manic On Zoloft
>
>
> School/Assault <http://ssristories.com/show.php?item=3748>
>
> Antidepressant
>
> 2009-11-04
>
> California
>
> **School Custodian Assaults Student & Principal: Had Manic Reaction From
> Depression Med
>
>
> School Shooting <http://ssristories.com/show.php?item=248>
>
> Prozac Antidepressant
>
> 1992-01-30
>
> Michigan
>
> **School Teacher Shoots & Kills His Superintendent at School
>
>
> School Shooting Threats <http://ssristories.com/show.php?item=3915>
>
> Celexa Antidepressant
>
> 2010-01-25
>
> Virginia
>
> **Senior in High School Theatens to Kill 4 Classmates: Facebook Involved:
> Bail Denied
>
>
> School Violence/Murder <http://ssristories.com/show.php?item=1628>
>
> Antidepressants*
>
> 1998-05-04
>
> New York
>
> **Sheriff's Deputy Shoots his Wife in an Elementary School
>
>
> School Knifing/Murder <http://ssristories.com/show.php?item=4160>
>
> Meds For Depression & ADHD
>
> 2010-04-28
>
> Massachusetts
>
> **Sixteen Year Old Kills 15 Year Old in High School Bathroom in Sept. 2009
>
>
> School Stabbing <http://ssristories.com/show.php?item=4339>
>
> Wellbutrin
>
> 2006-12-04
>
> Indiana
>
> **Stabbing by 17 Year Old At High School: Charged with Attempted Murder
>
>
> School Threat <http://ssristories.com/show.php?item=1728>
>
> Antidepressants
>
> 2007-04-23
>
> Mississippi
>
> **Student Arrested for Making School Threat Over Internet
>
>
> School Suspension <http://ssristories.com/show.php?item=1946>
>
> Lexapro Antidepressant
>
> 2007-07-28
>
> Arkansas
>
> **Student Has 11 Incidents with Police During his 16 Months on Lexapro
>
>
> School Shooting <http://ssristories.com/show.php?item=2186>
>
> Antidepressant WITHDRAWAL
>
> 2007-11-07
>
> Finland
>
> **Student Kills 8: Wounds 10: Kills Self: High School in Finland
>
>
> School Shooting <http://ssristories.com/show.php?item=489>
>
> Paxil [Seroxat] Antidepressant
>
> 2004-02-09
>
> New York
>
> **Student Shoots Teacher in Leg at School
>
>
> School Threat <http://ssristories.com/show.php?item=2361>
>
> Prozac Antidepressant
>
> 2008-01-25
>
> Washington
>
> **Student Takes Loaded Shotgun & 3 Rifles to School Parking Lot: Plans
> Suicide
>
>
> School Shooting Plot <http://ssristories.com/show.php?item=1695>
>
> Med For Depression
>
> 1998-12-01
>
> Wisconsin
>
> **Teen Accused of Plotting to Gun Down Students at School
>
>
> School/Assault <http://ssristories.com/show.php?item=575>
>
> Zoloft Antidepressant
>
> 2006-02-15
>
> Tennessee
>
> **Teen Attacks Teacher at School
>
>
> School Shooting Threat <http://ssristories.com/show.php?item=999>
>
> Antidepressant
>
> 1999-04-16
>
> Idaho
>
> **Teen Fires Gun in School
>
>
> School Hostage Situation <http://ssristories.com/show.php?item=258>
>
> Paxil & Effexor Antidepressants
>
> 2001-04-15
>
> Washington
>
> **Teen Holds Classmates Hostage with a Gun
>
>
> School Hostage Situation <http://ssristories.com/show.php?item=1310>
>
> Antidepressant WITHDRAWAL
>
> 2006-11-28
>
> North Carolina
>
> **Teen Holds Teacher & Student Hostage with Gun
>
>
> School Knife Attack <http://ssristories.com/show.php?item=1342>
>
> Med for Depression
>
> 2006-12-06
>
> Indiana
>
> **Teen Knife Attacks Fellow Student
>
>
> School Massacre Plot <http://ssristories.com/show.php?item=4800>
>
> Prozac Withdrawal
>
> 2011-02-23
>
> Virginia
>
> **Teen Sentenced to 12 Years in Prison For Columbine Style Plot
>
>
> School Shooting <http://ssristories.com/show.php?item=403>
>
> Celexa & Effexor Antidepressants
>
> 2001-04-19
>
> California
>
> **Teen Shoots at Classmates in School
>
>
> School Shooting <http://ssristories.com/show.php?item=1099>
>
> Celexa Antidepressant
>
> 2006-08-30
>
> North Carolina
>
> **Teen Shoots at Two Students: Kills his Father: Celexa Found Among his
> Personal Effects
>
>
> School Shooting <http://ssristories.com/show.php?item=4819>
>
> Meds For Depression & ADHD
>
> 2011-03-18
>
> South Carolina
>
> **Teen Shoots School Official: Pipe Bombs Found in Backpack
>
>
> School Shooting Threat <http://ssristories.com/show.php?item=341>
>
> Antidepressant
>
> 2003-05-31
>
> Michigan
>
> **Teen Threatens School Shooting: Charge is Terrorism
>
>
> School Stand-Off <http://ssristories.com/show.php?item=1543>
>
> Zoloft Antidepressant
>
> 1998-04-13
>
> Idaho
>
> **Teen [14 Years Old] in School Holds Police At Bay: Fires Shots
>
>
> School Shooting <http://ssristories.com/show.php?item=2125>
>
> Antidepressant WITHDRAWAL
>
> 2007-10-12
>
> Ohio
>
> **Teen [14 Years Old] School Shooter Possibly on Antidepressants or In
> Withdrawal
>
>
> School Threat <http://ssristories.com/show.php?item=2432>
>
> Antidepressants
>
> 2008-03-20
>
> Indiana
>
> **Teen [16 Years Old] Brings Gun to School: There Is a Lockdown
>
>
> School Suicide/Lockdown <http://ssristories.com/show.php?item=2366>
>
> Med For Depression
>
> 2008-02-20
>
> Idaho
>
> **Teen [16 Years Old] Kills Self at High School: Lockdown by Police
>
>
> School Threats <http://ssristories.com/show.php?item=2079>
>
> Prozac Antidepressant
>
> 1999-10-19
>
> Florida
>
> **Teen [16 Years Old] Threatens Classmates With Knife & Fake Explosives
>
>
> School Stabbing <http://ssristories.com/show.php?item=2381>
>
> Med For Depression
>
> 2008-02-29
>
> Texas
>
> **Teen [17 Year Old GIRL] Stabs Friend & Principal at High School
>
>
> School Hostage Situation <http://ssristories.com/show.php?item=1370>
>
> Prozac/ Paxil Antidepressants
>
> 2001-01-18
>
> California
>
> **Teen [17 Years Old] Takes Girl Hostage at School: He is Killed by Police
>
>
> School Knife Attack <http://ssristories.com/show.php?item=3214>
>
> Treatment For Depression & Strattera
>
> 2009-03-10
>
> Belgium
>
> **Three Dead in School Day Care: Two Children & a Caregiver: Happened Jan
> 23, 2009
>
>
> School Shooting Plot <http://ssristories.com/show.php?item=3658>
>
> Antidepressants
>
> 2009-09-22
>
> England
>
> **Two English School Boys Plot to Blow Up High School
>
>
> School Arson Incidents <http://ssristories.com/show.php?item=2625>
>
> Paxil
>
> 2002-04-12
>
> Michigan
>
> **Unusual Personality Change on Paxil Caused 15 Year Old to Set Fires inside
> High School
>
>
> School Bomb Threat <http://ssristories.com/show.php?item=3446>
>
> Med For Depression
>
> 2009-06-29
>
> Australia
>
> **Vexed Father Makes Bomb Threat Against Elementary School
>
>
> School Violence <http://ssristories.com/show.php?item=879>
>
> Antidepressant
>
> 2005-11-19
>
> Arizona
>
> **Violent 8 Year Old GIRL Handcuffed by Police at School
>
>
> School Violence <http://ssristories.com/show.php?item=63>
>
> Celexa Antidepressant
>
> 2002-01-23
>
> Florida
>
> **Violent 8 Year-Old Boy Arrested At School
>
>
> School Threat/Lockdown <http://ssristories.com/show.php?item=2475>
>
> Lexapro*
>
> 2008-04-18
>
> California
>
> **Violent High School Student Shot to Death on Campus by Police
>
>
> School / Child Endangerment <http://ssristories.com/show.php?item=2375>
>
> Antidepressants
>
> 2008-02-27
>
> Canada
>
> **Wacky School Bus Driver Goes Berserk: Also Involved Painkillers
>
>
> School Violence <http://ssristories.com/show.php?item=633>
>
> Paxil
>
> 2004-10-23
>
> Washington DC
>
> **Young Boy, 10 Year Old, Has Violent Incidents at School
>
>
> School Threat <http://ssristories.com/show.php?item=1733>
>
> Wellbutrin Antidepressant
>
> 2007-04-24
>
> Tennessee
>
> **Young Boy, 12, Threatens to Shoot Others at School
>
>
> School Hostage Situation <http://ssristories.com/show.php?item=322>
>
> Med for Depression
>
> 2006-03-09
>
> France
>
> **Young Ex-Teacher Holds 21 Students Hostage
>
>
> School Shooting/Suicide <http://ssristories.com/show.php?item=224>
>
> Celexa
>
> 2002-10-07
>
> Texas
>
> **Young Girl [13 Years Old] Kills Self at School With a Gun
>
>
> School Hostage Situation <http://ssristories.com/show.php?item=1753>
>
> Paxil
>
> 2001-10-12
>
> North Carolina
>
> **Young Man Holds Three People Hostage in Duke University President's Office
>
>
> School Murder Attem <http://ssristories.com/show.php?item=2849> pt
>
> Med For Depression
>
> 1995-03-04
>
> California
>
> **Young Woman Deliberately Hits 3 Kids with Her Car at Elementary School:
> Laughed During Attack

[KrystalKlear]

Very Interesting List. Too bad the people who make money I mean control this could be forced to turn their heads back on straight.

Otherwise, move along, nothing here to see.