Stay Informed! "Obamacare's Contract Problem"

[4Him]

Thank you so much. This is very powerful. I don't see how Scotus can ignore this...even Kagan.

I also see they are hearing arguments on the severability clause which hasn't been much discussed. I understand it has been left out entirely. Which should mean if they strike down any part of it that it would all have to go which would negate a need to repeal.

What a great amicus brief. Hats off the IJ

[rlm1966]

Good arguments. Thanks for posting.

[kozanne]

Thank you so much. This is very powerful. I don't see how Scotus can ignore this...even Kagan.

I also see they are hearing arguments on the severability clause which hasn't been much discussed. I understand it has been left out entirely. Which should mean if they strike down any part of it that it would all have to go which would negate a need to repeal.

What a great amicus brief. Hats off the IJ

Amen to that. The folks that wrote this may have started something that could save this nation. And they've got the Constitutional arguments, case law and precedent to go with it.

This coming week is going to determine the fate of 0bamacare and this nation, let's see how the lamestreams decide to cover [or bury] this.

[4Him]

I am also wondering if the arguments in this brief might not also be used to recind one's Social Security Number. Many people signed a contract with SSA in order to get a # when they were age 16 which is under the age of consent. That could qualify as coersion in order to be employed.

I know a few people who have tried to recind unsuccessfully. It is possible the gov is vulnerable under the cases cited in this brief and that is why they are making parents get SS# for kids while in hospital.

[Soren]

This won't stop Obamacare. Courts have ruled this issue is severable from the rest of the bill, meaning the individual mandate may be overturned while the rest of the law stands. If it is overturned, they will likely implement premium penalties for anyone that delays buying coverage to protect against anti-selection.

[4Him]

This won't stop Obamacare. Courts have ruled this issue is severable from the rest of the bill, meaning the individual mandate may be overturned while the rest of the law stands. If it is overturned, they will likely implement premium penalties for anyone that delays buying coverage to protect against anti-selection.

SCOTUS is also hearing the serverability of the bill. So whatever the other courts have ruled may or may not have bearing on what they decide.

But without the mandate, Congress itself might possibly pull the Bill back to rework and there may be such a hue and cry to repeal that they will do so. After all, it is an election year and 60% of the people want it repealed.

If it is gutted of the mandate, it might be more feasible for Democrats to get behind repeal to get reelected

[moonarch]

I advocate access to at least minimum care for everyone.
I believe human beings should care enough about each other to do this, instead of sending low wage workers to their deaths because they don't "have a good job" or can't afford $1000+ per month for basic sh*t health insurance that covers almost nothing.

However, this new scheme plays like NAFTA.

I wonder if this may end up surprizing everyone -

What if it is decided that if humans can not be forced to purchase medical insurance then hospitals, etc can not be force to provide medical care ?

Look down the road a few years, as the bankruptcy-crash looms on the horizon. Perhaps in a decade there will be no more tax payer funded socialized medicine for certain groups and the only people with access will be those with plenty of wealth ...

[Meemur]

I advocate access to at least minimum care for everyone.

You may advocate access all that you want. I'm not paying or voting for it. I have gone "Galt" to the best of my ability. I will continue to give alms directly to the truly needy as God directs me.

I'd like to see Obamacare disappear. For that manner, I'd like to see Obama disappear, legally, of course.

[bagpiper]

I advocate access to at least minimum care for everyone.
I believe human beings should care enough about each other to do this, instead of sending low wage workers to their deaths because they don't "have a good job" or can't afford $1000+ per month for basic sh*t health insurance that covers almost nothing.

However, this new scheme plays like NAFTA.

I wonder if this may end up surprizing everyone -

What if it is decided that if humans can not be forced to purchase medical insurance then hospitals, etc can not be force to provide medical care ?

Look down the road a few years, as the bankruptcy-crash looms on the horizon. Perhaps in a decade there will be no more tax payer funded socialized medicine for certain groups and the only people with access will be those with plenty of wealth ...

You forget, the poor, have access, better than the middle class in many cases....
Ever heard of Medicaid, Medicare? Huh? So they TAKE away from those programs, in order to create a monster?

The issue is, do we allow forced contracts, under threat of force, for me to pay for the murder of the unborn and the free lifestyle choices of hedonists. The issue is not the poor, or 'women's rights.

The issue is SOCIALISM. Feelings based philosophy. "Awww, those poor people." The poor are always with us. It is the middle class who pay the bills. I will not pay for abortions, or contraceptives. I will not submit to a coerced 'contract'. I will not submit. I will not comply. I will not pay for MURDER and FORNICATION. I will not give up my rights, for anybody elses indolence.

Once 'society' owns your body...they own YOU. You become just an 'economic unit', where we were once proud to be called CITIZEN. Then you must understand, don't ya know, those guns you own are just too much of a RISK with THEIR bodies...

Think down the road, indeed.
Your feelings have been used against your mind. It is the socialist WAY, to use GUILT and ENVY in order to conquer your MIND. If they were to quit screwing up the economy, there WOULD BE JOBS for those poor. But they have locked up the money, and it isn't flowing, except to their buddies and pet projects. Central planning has succeeded, in their Godless agenda. Soon, there will be little left but 'low wage' jobs, look at the numbers. That is their agenda.

AND WE BUY INTO IT. Because in the words of Hosea, "my people are destroyed through a lack of knowledge."

[jed turtle]

I advocate access to at least minimum care for everyone.
I believe human beings should care enough about each other to do this, instead of sending low wage workers to their deaths because they don't "have a good job" or can't afford $1000+ per month for basic sh*t health insurance that covers almost nothing.

However, this new scheme plays like NAFTA.

I wonder if this may end up surprizing everyone -

What if it is decided that if humans can not be forced to purchase medical insurance then hospitals, etc can not be force to provide medical care ?

Look down the road a few years, as the bankruptcy-crash looms on the horizon. Perhaps in a decade there will be no more tax payer funded socialized medicine for certain groups and the only people with access will be those with plenty of wealth ...

i favor no insurance for anyone unless they can pay for it. no more welfare schemes. we are bankrupt, financially and morally. we are now very far into the pit of debt - way beyond the point of no return - and unless we can afford something, we don't buy it, do it, or even dream about. the whole country has turned into "we're so generous and liberal we will take this money from Joe over here who obviously has too much and give it to you".

thus the government has become a thief and destroyer of our property and labor. and in the process has destroyed the work ethic of entire RACES of people in our country, replacing it with an ENTITLEMENT mentality.