denominatinal fighting

[Fisheater]

So which side of Moses do you want to stand on? Do you want a human priesthood of diminishing glory which wll add to and take away from God's word(a sin worthy of death)...who will fill your life and heart with the traditions of men? Or do you want Torah written on your heart with the very finger of God and a pure, unleavened worship?

Where did you get this stuff from ? I mean honestly .... Your really willing to bet your children's soul on this ? Come on man ... And I do mean this in all love .... You need a wake up call .

The very thing you are selling here is a "Tradition of Man" YOU ... It is YOUR Tradition ....

[Wiskey Reb]

Where did you get this stuff from ? I mean honestly .... Your really willing to bet your children's soul on this ? Come on man ... And I do mean this in all love .... You need a wake up call .

The very thing you are selling here is a "Tradition of Man" YOU ... It is YOUR Tradition ....

It comes from the plain context of scripture when one takes into account the whole message.

Rhetoric Fishman..is that all you got? Even the protestants around here can do better than that.

So you're willing to gamble your soul in the hands of clergy?....who do attrocious things? Now that's the definition of insanity.

Just look at Paul who you lean on for assurance that your man made practices and liturgies are of God. Here's what he says about Torah.

Acts 24:14 But this I admit to you, that according to the Way which the call a sect I do serve the god of our fathers, believing everything that is in accordance with the law, and that is written in the prophet.

Acts 25:8 "I have commited no offonse either against the law of the Jews or against the temple or against Caesar"

But why did they want to kill him? Because he took the message of Torah and messiah to the gentiles. Acts 22:21-22

Read Romans 7:9- ch 8:4 and tell me if Paul thinks the law is done away with.

Then in ch 7:7 Paul says "Is the law sin? may it never be, On the contrary..." Yet, the rcc has made it their official postition in ancient times that observance of the sabbath is seperation from Christ. Traditions of men.

Now here is what Torah says:

Deut 30:19
..."I have set before you life and death, the blessing and the curse. So choose life in order that you may live, you and your descendants, by loving YHVH your God, by obeying His voice, and by holding fast to Him; for this is your life and the strength of your days, that you may live in the land which YHVH swore to your fathers, to Abraham, Isaac, and Jocob, to give them.

Ex:19:5-6
Now then, if you will indeed obey My voice and keep My covenant, then you shall be my own possession among all the peoples, for all the earth is mine: and you shall be a kingdom of priests and a holy nation...

Yet of course, we know that they did not keep that covenant and were banished from the land, yet, under a new priesthood, under Melchizadek's order, they would keep the covenant.

So, in Hebrews 10:1-6 states the weakness of the Mosaic system. That the lood of bulls etc cannot take away sin. As such, it was a foreshadowing of the heavenly things which are seen a few verses later in ch 10:16
"This is the covenant that I will make with them after those days, says YHVH: I will put My laws (Torah) upon their heart, and upon their mind I will write them"

Yet, Fishman, your religious system teaches you that Torah is replaced with the authority of the church.

Y'know, it does not matter how accurate their doctrine is or how unchanging it's been (for the sake of the arguement) through the centuries, it is of human construct and adds to and takes away from Tenach, which God tells His people to beware of any one who does or teaches such.

Ezekiel clearly states that Yeshua will shepherd His people himself and there will be no other. These other attempts at placing Peter in the mix is what is convoluted. You don't need anything from peter other than his words written about messiah. If peter has the key to the kingdom and can pass it down, then so does the church in Philadelphia (a long long way from Rome) So of that church Yeshua states the same unalterable things that He does to Peter. You need to abandon Rome and go to Philadelphia.

Peter in scripture was given a ministry...to the Jews. Paul was given a ministry to the gentiles. Peter was headquartered in Jerusalem, contrary to the tradition of men handed down to you. That is what scripture states.

I know you don't believe in sola scriptura, neither do I. But traditions of men cannot measure truth. Yeshua himself stated such in John 5 where He states regarding John the baptists testimony that He does not accept lthe testimony of men. His non-solo scriptura teaching has to do with three very different witnesses than that. Look it up. Yet, your "church" teaches in direct opposition to Yeshua's statement John 5:34 "I recieve not testamony of men" In fact, He even states about Himself that "If I bear witness of myself, my testamony is not true"...there are others. For your church to adhere to the traditions of the church as authoritative along side scripture is in direct opposition to the three witnesses spoken of by Yeshua....ie, Yeshua's works, the Father's witness (see Romans 1), and scripture.

It's clear Fishman, your church nor it's dogma is not what it claims to be.