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    I really hate tying/chaining dogs out, especially those from a potentially aggressive breed. (Note that I understand the necessity for it, lacking a good fence, but I don't like it)

    It essentially reinforces their territorial instincts, and if a child or another dog "invades" their (limited, by necessity of the chain length) territory, bad things can happen.

    When I bred Akitas, I actually had it in the puppy contract that they couldn't be chained, tied or staked. That ended up saving my butt once when a couple of morons ignored the clause, kept their nice young dog on a chain most of the time (fortunately, they sent me pictures along with notes about how much they liked the dog, how beautiful/well behaved, etc he was... and the dog was chained in every pic). Sadly, he got loose one afternoon, and killed a neighbor's cat and mauled at least one dog. They wanted to sue ME (God knows what grounds... I suspect they were looking at lawsuits themselves).

    Anyway, I know that we're really fortunate to have a half-mile-square area for our dogs to roam around on safely. We did install the invisible fence, and it's worked fantastically well. It's installed along about 1000 feet of our road frontage. The dogs have figured out that they can get around it if they cross two lower fields, jump a creek and go around the pond... but the only time they try that is if we're working the fields beyond the limit, and they want to be where we are.

    The cool thing is, we pulled their collars off for the winter, and it hasn't made any difference... they act as if they will get "corrected" if they go anywhere near the 50 foot from the road "boundary". I'd planned on putting the collars back on for a week or so, but now the fence isn't working... we probably damaged the wires during haying. But so far, it hasn't even occurred to them that they aren't getting shocked if they go too close to the road... not that they're trying.

    This is partly the difference in breeds, too- the English Shepherd and Border Collies we have tend to be homebodies, haven't been bred for aggression (although I've seen a line of English Shepherds with extreme aggression issues in the genes) and in general desire to be with their human pack, whatever we're doing and wherever we are. My son has a Catahoula hound who figured out fairly early that he could "break through" the invisible fence, and for a moment of pain, be free to roam. Catahoulas are another "hard" breed.

    They also likely wouldn't work well on hounds (either sight or scent hounds... either way, when their "trigger" is alerted, they're GONE... and they don't pay attention to shocks, their humans calling, or things like traffic) or some of the breeds with very strong prey drive (Akita's, "pit bulls", some terriers)

    But if anyone is going to tie a dog, they need to be aware that the area the dog can reach on the tie is "their territory" (much like their bed and food dishes in the house) and they may aggressively protect it from a stranger- animal or human.

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    I hear you, and generally agree regarding 'chaining'...But...the dog is with me 24/7...I'm 'retired'...If he's tethered in the yard, I'm a few feet away. and he'll obey my voice commands...at most i'll leave him for couple of minutes..off to the kitchen to get a cup of joe, and i can see him from the kitchen ( thats why he's tethered, to give me that freedom).
    Also, he's on a harness, not a collar, because he'd gladly choke himself trying to get to a male dog ( or a truck...can't understand the truck thing).

    He's the 11th dog I've trained from a pup, got him at 5 weeks, and weened him ( and naturally taught him not to bite since mom wasn't there to do it... too young I know but it was me or the pound) Your right about breed of course and theres a load of personality differences between individuals too ( I know you know this, just talking)..his sister, who i also trained, is compliant as can be. She responds to 'stay', with him it has to be " !!!STAY!!!). He's a definite A type, strong prey drive, I can't imagine an electric fence slowing hm down.

    My brother, who lives in rural area, used an e fence to control his 2 labs, worked great, but when he got a st bernard as well...had to go to a physical fence.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Summerthyme View Post
    My son has a Catahoula hound who figured out fairly early that he could "break through" the invisible fence, and for a moment of pain, be free to roam. Catahoulas are another "hard" breed.
    When our Anatolian died last year, we ended up getting a Catahoula Leopard. Very smart, hardheaded, energetic dog. If I had known how much exercise they require every day, I probably would have gone with a different breed, but there you are. Sometimes she'll grab something in her mouth and start running madly from one end of the house to the other, as fast as she can pelt. Crazy to watch!
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    Catahoulas are cool dogs, but yes, they're VERY high energy. Tucker was a rescue; he'd been returned to the shelter at least twice before DS got him, due to extreme "separation anxiety" and the ability to totally destroy a house while the owners were away.

    DS walks him a minimum of 2 miles a day, which helps, but really the only thing that has calmed him down is getting older.

    The rescue org told DS he was a black Lab. I took one look and said "um... no"... but I really wasn't sure what he was at first. He had intense hunting instincts (and was a proven cat killer... it took several years of work before he was safe around our barn cats) and he had a lot of hound traits. But it wasn't until I realized he also had herding instinct (he helped our dogs round up and bring the dairy herd in several times, and did a darned competent job of it!) that I figured out he was a Catahoula.

    Maybe the funniest thing about him is that, despite the "hardness" bred into these dogs (they're used for wild hog hunting, among other rough jobs), he's figured out how to "fake"... when DS does ANY discipline (very mild, as in physically pushing him into a down when he's resisting) he'll start yelping and screaming like someone is killing him! Since they live in a suburban neighborhood, that can be pretty effective, except most of the neighbors know him by now. But DS was threatened more than once with having the SPCA called on him by a stranger who thought he was abusing the dog, who is a great actor!

    The difference between the Catahoulas and most hound breeds is the intelligence... they aren't just "one trick wonders"

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