From where did the name "palestinian" come?

[Gercarson]

Excellent post!

[RossLunch]

Excellent post!

Thank you. Been studying the land issue in the ME for awhile and, as we well know, the land is not the issue. The issue was, is and always will be the hatred the Muslims have for Israel.

[Theresej]

So, using this logic:

Ownership of the territory is another controversial issue. The Palestinians claim to be the ancient owners of Palestine. Yet we see that they only took possession of the land in the wake of the Turkish campaign through that region in about the tenth century A.D. The claim made by ancient Israel precedes this claim by about 2,300 years.

shouldn't the United States be returned to the control of the Native American Indians?

[Theresej]

For a more accurate review of the use of the word "Palestine" this article lays out the timeline with quoted references:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Timelin...name_Palestine

here are some of its earliest references among those of the day:

c.450 BCE: Herodotus, The Histories, First historical reference clearly denoting a wider region than biblical Philistia. Refers to a "district of Syria, called Palaistinê"[5][6][7] One important reference refers to the practice of male circumcision associated with the Hebrew people:

"the Colchians, the Egyptians, and the Ethiopians, are the only nations who have practised circumcision from the earliest times. The Phoenicians and the Syrians of Palestine themselves confess that they learnt the custom of the Egyptians.... Now these are the only nations who use circumcision"[8]

c.340 BC: Aristotle, Meteorology,

"Again if, as is fabled, there is a lake in Palestine, such that if you bind a man or beast and throw it in it floats and does not sink, this would bear out what we have said. They say that this lake is so bitter and salt that no fish live in it and that if you soak clothes in it and shake them it cleans them.".

This is understood by scholars to be a reference to the Dead Sea[9]

Much more at the site above.

[Bethshaya]

Great! So they can all move out of Israel and into Syria and let all their "muslim brothers" take care of them, then everyone will be happy!

See, so they already have their "historical" PA state.

And as to your issue with the American Indians....yes, if the American Indians then turned around and conquered Americans and took back their land to occupy as a nation again, then it would be theirs, just like Israel did.

Possession is 9/10's of the law :)

[Theresej]

Great! So they can all move out of Israel and into Syria and let all their "muslim brothers" take care of them, then everyone will be happy!

See, so they already have their "historical" PA state.

Isn't the Dead Sea, mentioned by Aristotle as being in Palestine, in Israel?

And as to your issue with the American Indians....yes, if the American Indians then turned around and conquered Americans and took back their land to occupy as a nation again, then it would be theirs, just like Israel did.

Possession is 9/10's of the law :)

I wasn't aware that the State of Israel came into existance through the process of conquering the land . . . . I thought the UN gave it to them . .. .

[Bethshaya]

Isn't the Dead Sea, mentioned by Aristotle as being in Palestine, in Israel?



I wasn't aware that the State of Israel came into existance through the process of conquering the land . . . . I thought the UN gave it to them . .. .

They fought to keep that land a number of times, winning each time. Surrounding countries came against them, outnumbering them 300 to 1 and in six days, they were able to not only defend the land they were "granted", but take additional land as their invaders pushed back.

So what made troops, well equipped, armed with tanks and outnumbering their target 300 to 1 turn on their tails and run? God...that's who.

[RossLunch]

So, using this logic:

Ownership of the territory is another controversial issue. The Palestinians claim to be the ancient owners of Palestine. Yet we see that they only took possession of the land in the wake of the Turkish campaign through that region in about the tenth century A.D. The claim made by ancient Israel precedes this claim by about 2,300 years.

shouldn't the United States be returned to the control of the Native American Indians?

Actually, possession of the land was reinstated to Israel by the Partition Plan for Palestine via UN resolution 181 on 29 Nov 47. It seems that all agreed except the Arabs. This triggered a war one day after Israel was declared a state of its own on 14 May 48. The Jews won.

[Theresej]

Actually, possession of the land was reinstated to Israel by the Partition Plan for Palestine via UN resolution 181 on 29 Nov 47. It seems that all agreed except the Arabs. This triggered a war one day after Israel was declared a state of its own on 14 May 48. The Jews won.

So the basis of my question; if their prior possession thousands of years ago is a legitimate reason for the land to have been returned to the Jews by the UN, shouldn't the land of the United States be returned to the control of the Native American Indians by the same logic?

[Son of George]

So the basis of my question; if their prior possession thousands of years ago is a legitimate reason for the land to have been returned to the Jews by the UN, shouldn't the land of the United States be returned to the control of the Native American Indians by the same logic?

Actually, the U.N. has already done this and your land may not be your land anymore!

http://www.un.org/News/Press/docs/2007/ga10612.doc.htm