Concealed Carry Reciprocity Act of 2017

[BluesStringer]

The point is, the Federal and state governments are regulating something that the Constitution specifically says they are prohibited from regulating in any way.

Now, who is really breaking the law? Those who refuse to comply with the "laws" which are contrary to the letter, spirit and original intent of the Constitution, or those who pass the laws which are contrary to the letter, spirit and original intent of the Constitution?

It's not that simple. National reciprocity legislation is built upon a permitting scheme that, itself, is unconstitutional if one takes the "bear" part of keep and bear literally. Those who wish to carry concealed (and in rarer cases, openly) have already long ago acquiesced and actively consented to that infringement in every state except for Vermont at one time or another. Now gun owners, led down the primrose path (again) by none other than the NRA, GOA and SAF (among other less significant .orgs), are wanting to trade what little is left of their Second Amendment privileges for the authority of government to nationalize, centralize and control concealed carry out of existence, but apparently most of them don't know that indisputable fact.

It's not wrong to say that feds and states are usurping the right to keep and bear, but it lets the uninformed millions off the hook for their own ignorance. The two issues are just as important that they be discussed to my way of thinking. The points are both relevant to the issue(s).

Blues

[Farp]

I find all the talk about who allows a concealed weapon to be carried and who doesn't kind of funny. If anyone is in a situation or an area where safety is a concern, conceal carry authority be damned. The operative word is "concealed." If I'm carrying a concealed weapon, apart from specific areas where x-rays or searches are conducted, such as going through an airport, who's to know? I've packed when necessary, and in those few times when I didn't have the permit, nobody knew but me.

[Sherree]

Now gun owners, led down the primrose path (again) by none other than the NRA, GOA and SAF (among other less significant .orgs), are wanting to trade what little is left of their Second Amendment privileges for the authority of government to nationalize, centralize and control concealed carry out of existence, but apparently most of them don't know that indisputable fact.

You're so right, Blues. Well said.

[Pastor Guest]

It's not that simple. National reciprocity legislation is built upon a permitting scheme that, itself, is unconstitutional if one takes the "bear" part of keep and bear literally. Those who wish to carry concealed (and in rarer cases, openly) have already long ago acquiesced and actively consented to that infringement in every state except for Vermont at one time or another. Now gun owners, led down the primrose path (again) by none other than the NRA, GOA and SAF (among other less significant .orgs), are wanting to trade what little is left of their Second Amendment privileges for the authority of government to nationalize, centralize and control concealed carry out of existence, but apparently most of them don't know that indisputable fact.

It's not wrong to say that feds and states are usurping the right to keep and bear, but it lets the uninformed millions off the hook for their own ignorance. The two issues are just as important that they be discussed to my way of thinking. The points are both relevant to the issue(s).

Blues

Actually, it is that simple. There is only one legitimate law for keeping and bearing arms. The Second Amendment. No other law is needed, no other law is valid.

[moestooge]

Call me cynical, but if the NRA and many establishment Republicons support reciprocity, it's a bad deal and a scam.

[somoprepper08]

Call me cynical, but if the NRA and many establishment Republicons support reciprocity, it's a bad deal and a scam.

You and me both sir! Cynical or whatever you want to call it. I no longer believe anything till I see it in my hand or am reaping the benefits of whatever it was they promised.

[CaryC]

Update, more info:

Rep. Thomas Massie (R-KY) is warning that House Leadership plans to merge Obama-style gun control with national reciprocity for concealed carry.

This news comes just days before Rep. Richard Hudson’s (R-NC) national reciprocity legislation, H.R. 38, is supposed to go the House floor for a vote.Massie explains that the Obama-style gun controls are contained in the “fix-NICS” legislation, the very legislation that House Leadership “plans to merge” with H.R. 38. He used a Facebook post to explain the “fix-NICS” legislation would allow “agencies, not just courts, to adjudicate your second amendment rights.”He expounds:

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[“Fix-NICS”] encourages administrative agencies, not the courts, to submit more names to a national database that will determine whether you can or can’t obtain a firearm. When President Obama couldn’t get Congress to pass gun control, he implemented a strategy of compelling, through administrative rules, the Veterans Administration and the Social Security Administration to submit lists of veterans and seniors, many of whom never had a day in court, to be included in the NICS database of people prohibited from owning a firearm. Only a state court, a federal (article III) court, or a military court, should ever be able to suspend your rights for any significant period of time.

Massie does not name names, but presumes that some are seeking to add the gun control legislation as a way of “to ensure reciprocity will pass in the Senate.” Yet he believes it is a foolish attempt to gain the support of Senators like Dianne Feinstein (D-CA) and Chuck Schumer (D-NY), who will not support national reciprocity legislation “even if it contains the fix-NICS legislation they support for expanding the background check database.”Massie observed, “If our House leadership insists on bringing the flawed fix-NICS bill to the floor, they shouldn’t play games. We should vote separately on HR 38, the Concealed Carry Reciprocity Bill, and HR 4477, the fix-NICS bill. And we should be given enough time to amend the fix-NICS bill, because it needs to be fixed, if not axed.”

http://www.breitbart.com/big-governm...l-reciprocity/

[Pastor Guest]

The legislation also specifically requires those who carry across state lines comply with the firearms laws of whatever state they are in. This means if someone enters a state where magazines with capacities of over, say, 10 rounds, with a 12 round mag, it's jail time and permanent loss of gun rights. Same with ammo. If hollow point, or some other ammo is illegal in a particular state and you have that type ammo, jail time.

The next step will probably be to "standardize" firearms laws in all 50 states. Not good.

[Sherree]

The next step will probably be to "standardize" firearms laws in all 50 states. Not good.

I can see that as a possibility. Imagine California's state gun laws becoming the standard. The best thing the Fed can do is to stay out of it altogether.