Has the Ark been found?

[CaryC]

Cary, do you think it's a good or bad thing if they find either ark? The way I see it is, there will be a 'Snopes' or three out there ready to disprove it's authenticity and give non-believers more ammo not to believe. And even if it were to be real, who's going to prove it? What if it turns out to be a hoax or replica?

I dunno, I think it might be a better thing if these are never found. It would be great for believers to see them but I'm not so sure it would be a good thing for non-believers, especially with the amount of deception out there now. YMMV.

Different for different individuals.

For Christians, neither would have an effect. I don't think. Much like the 3rd Temple and restored sacrifices. We already believe. Finding either Ark wouldn't make me believe more. However, the "I told you so", factor would be cool. LOL.

For the Jew, and the Anti-Christ, finding the Ark of the Covenant, would be huge, as would rebuilding the Temple. Seems it would give more validity to the Anti-Christ's claim. And more validity to the AOD, as it did the first time. Just speculating on my part. I would also make a note that the things on earth, the Ark of the Covenant, the Temple, the Cherubim figures, were all shadows of what was in heaven, and Moses was even instructed to make sure he represented the things in heaven, on earth, correctly.

For the unbeliever today not much, but at the appearance of the AC, and maybe just before, concerning The Apostasy, False Prophet, Image of the Beast, etc... those items may play a bigger confirmation role to converting to the world wide religion of the AC. You know if I tell you I'm a Judge, you might laugh, but if I show up in robs, and a wooden hammer, you might change your mind.

I would just add a couple of thoughts about Noah's Ark. I don't think they would of tore it apart to build, say a house. At coming out of the Ark, food would be No. 1 on the list of items needed and fast. Not just for Noah and his family but the domestic animals. So I think they may have used like chicken coops for making fires etc. I think they would of used tents, so they could be mobile, and get to a lower elevation soon, so the animals would have pasture to graze on. Like in valleys, which would be a good place to find drift wood. Granted many other things would of been needed, like wagons to carry hay, and edibles etc. And give a couple of weeks for the grass to grow etc.... So the bulk of the interior could of been reclaimed, but I think the hull, would of remained intact. However, some 6000 years later, or so (4500) it's not likely any remains. Wooden houses around here get reclaimed by the woods in 50-100 years. Over growth, termites, rats, snakes, birds, bees, freezing, heating, rot, etc.

Even though it was covered with pitch inside and out.

[Look4Truth]

Different for different individuals.

For Christians, neither would have an effect. I don't think. Much like the 3rd Temple and restored sacrifices. We already believe. Finding either Ark wouldn't make me believe more. However, the "I told you so", factor would be cool. LOL.

For the Jew, and the Anti-Christ, finding the Ark of the Covenant, would be huge, as would rebuilding the Temple. Seems it would give more validity to the Anti-Christ's claim. And more validity to the AOD, as it did the first time. Just speculating on my part. I would also make a note that the things on earth, the Ark of the Covenant, the Temple, the Cherubim figures, were all shadows of what was in heaven, and Moses was even instructed to make sure he represented the things in heaven, on earth, correctly.

For the unbeliever today not much, but at the appearance of the AC, and maybe just before, concerning The Apostasy, False Prophet, Image of the Beast, etc... those items may play a bigger confirmation role to converting to the world wide religion of the AC. You know if I tell you I'm a Judge, you might laugh, but if I show up in robs, and a wooden hammer, you might change your mind.

I would just add a couple of thoughts about Noah's Ark. I don't think they would of tore it apart to build, say a house. At coming out of the Ark, food would be No. 1 on the list of items needed and fast. Not just for Noah and his family but the domestic animals. So I think they may have used like chicken coops for making fires etc. I think they would of used tents, so they could be mobile, and get to a lower elevation soon, so the animals would have pasture to graze on. Like in valleys, which would be a good place to find drift wood. Granted many other things would of been needed, like wagons to carry hay, and edibles etc. And give a couple of weeks for the grass to grow etc.... So the bulk of the interior could of been reclaimed, but I think the hull, would of remained intact. However, some 6000 years later, or so (4500) it's not likely any remains. Wooden houses around here get reclaimed by the woods in 50-100 years. Over growth, termites, rats, snakes, birds, bees, freezing, heating, rot, etc.

Even though it was covered with pitch inside and out.

Well, that's possible of course. I'm sure they stayed in the ark for awhile for shelter etc. but eventually they'd want to start spreading out and building new structures. I guess it would depend on on how fast trees grew shortly after the flood and how much dead wood they could use. They would have needed firewood for sure so that had to come somewhere. It could go different ways, it's really not important, just interesting.

I guess what concerns me is that people get so caught up in signs and wonders that they can be easily misled, especially in the times we're in and coming soon. The minions of this world are going to do anything and everything to discredit Jesus Christ and 'debunking' things like this would be high on their list.

Meh, it's all just interesting discussion for Christians, doesn't sway our faith either way.

I hope that we'll be able to 'see' or view events of the past when we get there. I think it would be amazing to see history unfold, secrets told, treasure buried etc.

[CaryC]

Yeah we're cool. And I know for my part it's all speculation, and we're just talking.

I sort of base part of my speculation on 2 things. 1) the time between the Ark landing on Ararat, and the building of the Tower of Babel, a little over a hundred years 2) the distance between those 2 things. In Camel travel, it would take more, or less a year to travel that distance. And there is no telling where they meandered around, how long they camped in one area, set up a base camp, and did day hikes scoping out the land, going on scavenging runs. (Yo dude, this can of beans is only a year and half old, should be good.) etc. Mama Noah sleeping in late, Noah taking naps, in the afternoon.

Saw a movie one time where some American Indians were on the move, and a Mama Indian moved off the trail squatted, and squirted out a baby, while the brave kept watch. Picked the baby up and moved on. For Sherree it was GIVE ME THE DRUGS. After a couple of those I was, GIVE HER THE DRUGS. Don't know how Noah and his family did it, but I'm sure there was birthing going on as well. As well as all the normal daily duties, and taking care of young'uns (I was always like, "SHEEERRRRREEEEE")

The Copper Scroll is very interesting. Joel Rosenburg has a book out, some years ago called "The Copper Scroll". It's fictional, but is based in fact. The scroll was discovered in 1952, in the Qumran caves. The Copper Scroll Project, is an actual work. Even though the scroll is copper instead of Papyri, it's still a delicate project to unroll, and cipher.

The

Copper Scroll

(

3Q15

) is one of the

Dead Sea Scrolls

found in Cave 3 near Khirbet

Qumran

, but differs significantly from the others. Whereas the other scrolls are written on

parchment

or

papyrus

, this scroll is written on

metal

:

copper

mixed with about 1 percent

tin

. Unlike the others, it is not a

literary

work, but a list of locations at which various items of

gold

and

silver

are buried or hidden. It differs from the other scrolls in its Hebrew (closer to the language of the

Mishnah

than to the literary Hebrew of the other scrolls, though

4QMMT

shares some language characteristics), its orthography,

palaeography

(forms of letters) and date (c. 50–100 CE, possibly overlapping the latest of the other Qumran manuscripts).

^[1]

While most of the Dead Sea Scrolls were found by Bedouins, the Copper Scroll was discovered by an archaeologist.^[5] The scroll, on two rolls of copper, was found on March 14, 1952^[6] at the back of Cave 3 at Qumran. It was the last of 15 scrolls discovered in the cave, and is thus referred to as 3Q15.^[7] The corroded metal could not be unrolled by conventional means and so the Jordanian government sent it to Manchester University's College of Technology in England on the recommendation of English archaeologist and Dead Sea Scrolls scholar John Marco Allegro for it to be cut into sections, allowing the text to be read. He arranged for the university's Professor H. Wright Baker to cut the sheets into 23 strips in 1955 and 1956.^[8] It then became clear that the rolls were part of the same document. Allegro, who had supervised the opening of the scroll, transcribed its contents immediately.The first editor assigned for the transcribed text was Józef Milik. He initially believed that the scroll was a product of the Essenes but noted that it was likely not an official work of theirs. At first he believed that it was not an actual historical account; he believed it was that of folklore. Later however, Milik's view changed. Since there was no indication that the scroll was a product of the Essenes from the Qumran community, he changed his identification of the scroll. He now believes that the scroll was separate from the community, although it was found at Qumran in Cave 3, it was found further back in the cave, away from the other scrolls. As a result, he suggested the Copper Scroll was a separate deposit, separated by a "lapse in time."^[6]Although the text was assigned to Milik, in 1957 the Jordanian Director of Antiquities approached Allegro to publish the text. After a second approach by a new director of Jordanian Antiquities,^[9] Allegro, who had waited for signs of Milik of moving to publish, took up the second request and published an edition with translation and hand-drawn transcriptions from the original copper segments in 1960. Milik published his official edition in 1962, also with hand-drawn transcriptions, though the accompanying black-and-white photographs were "virtually illegible".^[10] The scroll was re-photographed in 1988 with greater precision.^[11] From 1994 to 1996 extensive conservation efforts by Electricité de France (EDF) included evaluation of corrosion, photography, x-rays, cleaning, making a facsimile and a drawing of the letters. Emile Puech's edition had the benefit of these results.^[12]Scholarly estimates of the probable date range of The Copper Scroll vary. F.M. Cross proposed the period of 25-75 CE on paleographical grounds, while W.F. Albright suggested 70-135 CE^[13] and Manfred Lehmann put forward a similar date range, arguing that the treasure was principally the money accumulated between the First Jewish–Roman War and the Bar Kokhba revolt, while the temple lay in ruins. P. Kyle McCarter Jr., Albert M. Wolters, David Wilmot and Judah Lefkovits all agree that the scroll originated around 70 CE.^[6] Whereas Emile Puech argued that the deposit of the Copper Scroll behind 40 jars could not have been placed after the jars, so the scroll "predates 68 CE."^[14]Józef Milik proposed that the scroll was written around 100 CE, nearly a "generation after the destruction of Jerusalem."^[6] If Milik's dating of the scroll is correct, it would mean that the scroll did not come from the Qumran community because his dating puts the scroll "well after the Qumran settlement was destroyed."^[15]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Copper_Scroll

One could spend/kill a good afternoon checking out all the stuff with this scroll.

Several people are looking for the Ark of the Covenant, all in different places. So far, at least in public knowledge, it has not been found. Just losing that thing is weird by itself. But hey, the Israelites lost ........the Torah (?) for some 500 years too. I think it was during David's reign that they found it.

But if they ever find it, it will change things on the ground in Israel. War, Temple, boundaries, moving from secular to religious Jews, lots could change.