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    Angry Feds, Nevada rancher facing off over public lands

    Posted: Apr 04, 2014 5:52 PM PST Updated: Apr 05, 2014 2:58 PM PST

    BUNKERVILLE, Nev. -- Dozens of armed federal officers are preparing for a showdown with a Nevada cattle rancher regarded by some as an outlaw and a hero by others.

    Rangers and agents from several federal agencies have surrounded a 600,000-acre section of public land and are preparing to move against rancher Cliven Bundy whose cattle have been grazing illegally for the past 20 years.

    "This is the freedom we have in America right now. You got to have your freedom inside that fence there," Bundy said.

    Bunkerville rancher Cliven Bundy thinks the federal government has overplayed its hand in preparing to round up his cattle.

    Example, there are two fenced spots where the public will be allowed to protest the roundup. A sign inside the fence shows how some people feel about a First Amendment zone.

    During the I-Team's tour with Bundy, a passer-by stopped to offer encouragement.

    "I'm one of your neighbors. I get to look at that every day of my life. Hang in there my friend," his neighbor said.

    "This has become a police state, and this is an example of it right here," Bundy said.

    Miles away, just off the interstate, another fenced area is the where media are allowed. Armed agents in trucks form a wall to prevent anyone from approaching what resembles a military staging area, the heart of the Bundy roundup operation.

    More rangers sit at every road leading into the 600,0000-acres Gold Butte area to prevent the general public from coming in.

    "With all these rangers and all this force that is out here, they are only after one man right now. They are after Cliven Bundy. Whether they want to incarcerate me or whether they want to shoot me in the back, they are after me. But that is not all that is at stake here. Your liberty and freedom is at stake," Bundy said.

    Bundy has had a long time to sharpen his message. The fight has been building since 1993, when the Bureau of Land Management changed grazing rules for Gold Butte to protect the endangered desert tortoise.

    Bundy refused to go along and stopped paying his fees. Since then, the BLM and federal courts have ordered him to stop letting his cattle roam throughout Gold Butte, and he has ignored the orders because he does not recognize federal authority over the land.

    "My forefathers have been up and down the Virgin Valley ever since 1877. All these rights I claim have been created through pre-emptive rights and beneficial use of the forage and water. I have been here longer. My rights are before the BLM even existed," Bundy said.

    The Bundy family was already ranching here long before the Department of Interior was born, and long before tortoises were protected. But federal courts say he doesn't have a legal leg to stand on. BLM has long sidestepped the fight in part because of concerns about what might happen, if it tried to round up his 500 or so cattle that even now are grazing on forbidden public lands.

    Bundy says he has always been willing to pay fees but not if it helps to cut his own throat.

    "I got no problem with that. I've tried to pay it to Nevada state, to Clark County. They have some of my money in their coffers right now but I'm not going to pay money for the wrong landlord, and I am not going to pay my money to BLM to manage me out of business," Bundy said, "The federal government has seized Nevada's sovereignty, Nevada's statehood. They have seized Nevada's laws and our public land. We have no access to our public land and that is only a little bit of it."

    Critics say Bundy is being arrogant and that his cattle have caused irreparable harm to Gold Butte's fragile environment.

    Environmentalists forced BLM's hand by threatening to sue in federal court. The bureau will pay nearly a $1 million to a private contractor to round up Bundy's cows, but with dozens of government agents positioned all around the area for what might take weeks or even months, the true cost could be much higher.

    Bundy's cowhands have time to kill because they are prohibited from heading out to work their cattle. And soon enough, there could be no cattle left. The BLM plans to sell off Bundy's herd. Bundy stops short of saying how far he is willing to take it.

    "I've fought this thing legally. I've fought it politically. I've fought it through the media. and I will fight it on the ground if I have to," Bundy said.

    The I-Team has been asking to speak with Cliven Bundy for more than two years. He told the I-Team that while he agreed to speak to other media, he intended to save us until the end, and that could come soon.

    The BLM won't say exactly when the roundup will begin but it could happen as soon as this weekend.

    http://www.8newsnow.com/story/251686...r-public-lands

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    Jennifer Spencer • 2 days ago

    As a rancher in Utah, I support Mr. Bundy's cause. The federal agencies are trying to regulate us out of business. The environmental extremists and federal agencies are the ones that are out of control here, not the cattle or Mr. Bundy. They are trying to portray that Mr. Bundy's cattle are responsible for all of the "irreparable damage" caused to these lands. Are there no other wildlife or public use on these lands? Any layman can see that is not the case. The agencies are trying to make the public believe that Mr. Bundy's cattle have damaged the turtle population. Well what most of the public does not know is that when an animal is federally protected, their numbers can only be counted for the ones that are on FEDERAL land. It does not count the ones that are on private or state owned land. The numbers are a sham. I agree with Mr. Bundy's rebellion against paying grazing fees.

    Ranchers pay thousands of dollars every year to maintain and use their grazing land, just to have the federal agencies come in and change the rules due to environmental pressure. For example, A man with a family buys a house. The man pays his bills faithfully every month and maintains his property, but 6 months later, the bank tells the man that he has to move out because his family is killing the grass at the city park. That makes absolutely no sense, right? Not only is it the man's own house, which he has put his own sweat and blood into, but other people use the park too. That is similar to what is happening to Mr. Bundy. So why would he want to continue paying to graze his land when the BLM and environmental groups are trying to run him off it. It is not their land to take away from him. We are dealing with similar issues here in Utah. The elk herds are out of control and now our cattle are being blamed for the range damage. We are being forced to cut back our cattle herds because the elk are eating up all the feed. This puts our cattle and other native wildlife in a tough situation. If anyone has a question about how to treasure and take care of the land, ask a farmer or rancher.

    Why would any rancher want to damage the land that they use to graze? They need it in order for their herds to prosper. We WANT our lands to be clean and prosperous. Our livelihoods depend on it. How is a small time rancher or farmer supposed to protect their land anymore? I think Mr. Bundy is on the right track and I hope the BLM and environmentalists back off, or I fear they could be starting a revolution. I also forgot to mention that the issue with the wild horses, is that these agencies have failed to control their numbers, and now they are out of control. Eating up all the feed and doing much greater damage than the cattle. The horses are sick, mean, and inbred so badly that they are not healthy.

    The agencies have used the excuse that they do not have the funds to control the wild horse population, but now are spending at least 2 million dollars to go gather one man's cattle. That is ridiculous. That is where Iron County commissioners stand, and pretty much all the ranchers and farmers in Utah I think I could safely say.

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    600,000 acres and there are only 500 head of cattle? That's some poor quality soil.
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    Well, for folk native to the region who proclaimed "No more Waco's" ....

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    "First Amendment Area."

    That's a development that rankles me to this day. Nowhere in the First Amendment is contained phrases like "in areas as designated by officials" or "within certain geographic boundaries." It's not supposed to be accommodated; it's supposed to be everywhere.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Blacknarwhal View Post
    "First Amendment Area."

    That's a development that rankles me to this day. Nowhere in the First Amendment is contained phrases like "in areas as designated by officials" or "within certain geographic boundaries." It's not supposed to be accommodated; it's supposed to be everywhere.
    redefining inalienable rights as privileges.

    Nor is there any phrase such as 'except where causing difficulty in implementing treasured schemes and cherished unworkable dreams'.

    The Constitution is not a document which speaks of balance, of limiting rights for the convenience of governing; rather it is absolutist, speaking in terms such as 'inalienable' and 'shall not be infringed'.

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    I'm not real clear on what's happening.

    Is he grazing his herds on public lands or his own property?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Miradus View Post
    I'm not real clear on what's happening.

    Is he grazing his herds on public lands or his own property?
    blm land with a rub. his family has been ranching and using that land since before the feds stole it,before there was even such a thing as the BLM.. and certainly before the new regulations and fees that started it all. and that is his entire stance..

    we were here before you,i do not recognize your authority..

    may god be with him..
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