You're way off on Perry Matt. We have been partners for better than a decade. You were right on MWS. Way off on Perry.
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You're way off on Perry Matt. We have been partners for better than a decade. You were right on MWS. Way off on Perry.
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Land Owner
I didn't conclude anything about Stone.Originally Posted by Adino
What do you mean about being "partners"? Are you saying you've supported him financially or something?
Keep in mind--I myself am emphatically non-Charismatic, just for openers. Stone is Charismatic. He is also into "prosperity gospel" stuff. And he has peddled things like "miracle communion meals" in which he claims that if you buy his "special" communion food (instead of just simple crackers and grape juice?)...you can receive healing.
He also routinely hangs out with the worst-of-the-worst among Charismatic TV evangelists--Paula White, Paul Crouch, etc.
He has a luxury lifestyle. I don't think some impoverished senior citizen who has been persuaded to send him cash from her extremely meager resources..is expecting it will be spent on 1st Class air tickets, $2000 suits, and million dollar homes.
He is also a PreTribber...and a huge supporter of "Israel-can-do-no-wrong" Zionism.
So....for me he is extremely problematic. But NO...I haven't yet developed a strong leaning regarding any actual "wolf" status.
Sorry. I guess we all see things from various perspectives. Selling so-called "communion food", hanging out with Paula White (et al), and using little old ladies to pay off luxury homes...not my cup of tea.
Land Owner
I know your father, he accuses the brethren falsely, too. Congratulations, you are going to become the first person ever to go on my ignore list!
You have the spirit of division, like Fred Phelps of Westboro Baptist Church.
I would not want to be walking in your shoes in the near future because you are going to be consumed with a hate against all of Jesus' little ones who have overcome the world and are found in Him...
Watch and see...
Pride Always Has A Better Idea.
And it's not your job to mold me to your likeness!
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Mat 22:37-40 (msg) Jesus said, "'Love the Lord your God with all your passion and prayer and intelligence.'
This is the most important, the first on any list.
But there is a second to set alongside it: 'Love others as well as you love yourself.'
These two commands are pegs; everything in God's Law and the Prophets hangs from them."
Land Owner
I agree with you Adino- I follow Perry's ministry also and used to take care of pastor's kids that was personal friends with him-he is very sincere born again preacher preaching the gospel with an emphasis on Bible prophecy.
Revelations 21: 4 "He will wipe every tear from their eyes. There will be no more death, or mourning or crying or pain, for the old order of things has passed away."
Land Owner
^^^^This!!!
He used to hold a week long revival at my church for several years (back during the middle '90's) and I can also vouch to his integrity and he indeed loves the Lord...
He is going to open the COG campmeeting in Wimauma, Florida in a few weeks...
Pride Always Has A Better Idea.
And it's not your job to mold me to your likeness!
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Mat 22:37-40 (msg) Jesus said, "'Love the Lord your God with all your passion and prayer and intelligence.'
This is the most important, the first on any list.
But there is a second to set alongside it: 'Love others as well as you love yourself.'
These two commands are pegs; everything in God's Law and the Prophets hangs from them."
Esquire
I do not know what you mean by saying he sells "communion food" To my knowledge, he sold a kit that a person could easily carry crackers, bread, whatever, and some juice or wine in. It was a pretty little case to hold the containers so you could have it with you in your purse or briefcase. I have never heard of him saying anything like what you are suggesting. Matt, I respect the fact that you look closely at ministries and you certainly have shed light on important things. However, I do not think Perry Stone has done what you are saying.
Land Owner
I've had one for about five years... They do come in handy if you know someone in a hospital who wants to have communion... By the way, communion is not something you want to take lightly... There actually is a curse behind taking part without judging your heart first and being thankful for what Jesus has done for you.
After checking many translations, or ways this could be said, I like "The Message" version the best. Read what Paul says;
1Co 11:27 Anyone who eats the bread or drinks the cup of the Master irreverently is like part of the crowd that jeered and spit on him at his death. Is that the kind of "remembrance" you want to be part of?
1Co 11:28 Examine your motives, test your heart, come to this meal in holy awe.
1Co 11:29 If you give no thought (or worse, don't care) about the broken body of the Master when you eat and drink, you're running the risk of serious consequences.
1Co 11:30 That's why so many of you even now are listless and sick, and others have gone to an early grave.
Pride Always Has A Better Idea.
And it's not your job to mold me to your likeness!
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Mat 22:37-40 (msg) Jesus said, "'Love the Lord your God with all your passion and prayer and intelligence.'
This is the most important, the first on any list.
But there is a second to set alongside it: 'Love others as well as you love yourself.'
These two commands are pegs; everything in God's Law and the Prophets hangs from them."
Land Owner
Here's what I came across-- a joint television appearance with White and Stone:
Paula White: "...take communion once a day."
Perry Stone: Take it [communion] everyday and as you're praying thank God for blessing you financially.
"He said, 'Take it everyday and as you're praying thank God for blessing you financially. Thank Him that that's part of the provision. They needed $50,000 and they got an amazing, remarkable $50,000 miracle, this couple did!"
Paula White: "Call that toll free number! We want you to get the 'Meal That Heals!'"
(Paula White and Perry Stone, "Paula White Show," October 9, 2004)
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I mean...even if he weren't guilty of selling an endless series of useless "holy" trinkets and gizmos like all the other super-rich Charismatic TV evangelists...there are still all the other problems:
1) This horrendous "prosperity gospel" false teaching..2) his long list of very, very odd "insights" and "revelations" etc. And the other aforementioned issues...which for me personally, makes him someone I steer clear of.
I'm not trying to go out of my way to upset people. But in these last days there HAS to be a safe place and a safe way of hashing through and sorting through all these leaders on the 'Christian' scene...to see what they're really made of. Jesus has warned there will be a large number of satanic "Christian" leaders who will have fooled the Christian public, and who will be used to perpetrate a deadly apostasy deception.
I'm always asking fellow Christians--"If Jesus says there are large numbers of top-level Christian leaders who are actually satanists...have you spotted any of them yet??"
99.9% of the time they admit to me they can't point out a single suspect among America's popular Christian leaders! That is hugely tragic. And you see here what happens when one even attempts to begin a discussion about possible "false prophets". Everybody has their favorite 'venerated' 'untouchable' Christian leader these days.
Evangelicalism is living in the age of "the cult of personality".
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Judge
Matt - could you please point us to the documentation of everything you have done in your life to make sure you have never made mistakes or been seen in the company of someone we can deem as not acceptable?
Based on your assessment criteria then I think you may also be concerned about Jesus statement here:
Mark 9
Whoever Is Not Against Us Is for Us
38 “Teacher,” said John, “we saw someone driving out demons in your name and we told him to stop, because he was not one of us.” 39 “Do not stop him,” Jesus said. “For no one who does a miracle in my name can in the next moment say anything bad about me, 40 for whoever is not against us is for us. 41 Truly I tell you, anyone who gives you a cup of water in my name because you belong to the Messiah will certainly not lose their reward."
Jesus warns us to not be deceived. That directive is to the individual not to anyone who feels they are the gatekeeper whose job it is to decide who the deceivers are.
Jesus tells us we have no other teacher but Him. He is the only gatekeeper and shepherd. There are no job openings.
Please show me where Jesus directs any human being to point fingers at another human being that they are to decide who is and who is not worthy to be heard? We (as individuals) are to judge one another by the fruit.
What is the fruit that we are to compare them to?
Matthew 5 and Galatians 5
The Beatitudes
He said: 3 “Blessed are the poor in spirit,
for theirs is the kingdom of heaven.
4 Blessed are those who mourn,
for they will be comforted.
5 Blessed are the meek,
for they will inherit the earth.
6 Blessed are those who hunger and thirst for righteousness,
for they will be filled.
7 Blessed are the merciful,
for they will be shown mercy.
8 Blessed are the pure in heart,
for they will see God.
9 Blessed are the peacemakers,
for they will be called children of God.
10 Blessed are those who are persecuted because of righteousness,
for theirs is the kingdom of heaven.
11 “Blessed are you when people insult you, persecute you and falsely say all kinds of evil against you because of me. 12 Rejoice and be glad, because great is your reward in heaven, for in the same way they persecuted the prophets who were before you.
Gal 5
22 But the fruit of the Spirit is love, joy, peace, forbearance, kindness, goodness, faithfulness, 23 gentleness and self-control. Against such things there is no law. 24 Those who belong to Christ Jesus have crucified the flesh with its passions and desires. 25 Since we live by the Spirit, let us keep in step with the Spirit. 26 Let us not become conceited, provoking and envying each other.
Every human is in error somewhere since we know there is only one who is perfect and we are not Him. And that would include you and me. When one human being sets themselves up as to where that line is drawn where others errors are worse than someone elses, they cross a line. Someone who is deceived by errors regarding their salvation need to be pointed to seeking a relationship with Jesus through a humble and surrendered heart, not a policeman. How are they supposed to discern future error if they are not pointed to the only one who can be with them 24/7 to teach and guide them? Those who are in a personal relationship with Him can discern truth from error. So we need to point them to that goal.
We are told to love others and to preach the gospel.
If we are busy doing that and leaving the rest to the individual to discern truth through the Holy Spirit's guidance to direct the seeking heart, then we don't really have time to be pointing fingers in judgment of others.
The only way to give people the tools they need to discern truth from error is by sharing the truth of the gospel and pointing them to seek His counsel.
The only way we can identify a counterfeit is by knowing the real deal.
Jesus is the real deal and those who know Him can spot counterfeit messages, preaching error and are not deceived.
We are to be about our Father's business to introduce people to His message and then it is up to the individual to receive His message directly from Him to their heart or reject Him. It is not our job to be running around judging who is and is not getting it exactly right.
In my early years as a born again Christian I also thought that it was important to do what you are doing and was caught in that trap of judging others and feeling like I was a policeman to help protect others.
As I grew to know Him better I learned that it is not our job to do that and I could trust Him to guide the individual heart who is sincerely seeking Him.
God is the author of every heart beat. If He felt those preaching error were a serious problem, He would take care of it. Instead, He leaves them to continue on and trusts that those who truly seek Him will see the discernment as He reveals it to their hearts. Those who are seeking words to satisfy their itching ears will listen to error and reject the tugging of the Holy Spirit on their heart pointing out the error. But it is all His work, not ours.
'A person with an experience is never at the mercy of a person with an argument,'" writes von Campe
Esquire
Matt-
I was pointing out that he does not claim to sell special communion food. I know that he believes in the financial stuff. I am in agreement that we must be vigilant fruit inspectors.
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