The King James Bible Defended

[Sherree]

KingsX, I have to say that I've never heard an interpretation such as yours before.

Are you saying that you believe that only Israelites (whites) can be saved?

Also, are we now living during the 1000 yr. reign of Christ?

Just asking for clarification.

[Wiskey Reb]

We've already had this conversation before on another topic.

From Genesis when the 12 sons of Jacob [Israel] became the 12 tribes of Israel, God's chosen people...
to Revelation where the New Jerusalem has 12 gates one for each of the 12 tribes of Israel to enter,
the Bible is about God's relationship with one race, one people, God's special chosen people, Israel.

God incarnate, Jesus Christ, said He was sent only to the lost sheep of Israel. Jesus also said He has
two sheepfolds. One tiny sheepfold was in the holy land... but the vast majority of Israelites, the much
larger sheepfold was in the gentile nations where all 12 tribes of Israel had been scattered and lost since
the 8th century BC and had become as gentiles. It was to these lost Israelites Jesus' disciples were sent
and those Israelites became Christians. Just as Jesus said, "I am the good shepherd. I know My sheep
and My sheep know Me." Israelites were first called Christians in the book of Acts. James 1:1 sends
greetings in the name of Jesus Christ to all 12 tribes of Israelites scattered abroad. These were the
wild olive branches grafted back on the olive tree [notice the branches and the tree are the same kind,
olive, a Biblical symbol of Israel.] All 12 tribes became united again under the God of Israel incarnate,
the offspring/heir of King David, the King of kings, Jesus Christ.


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And you've avoided the question....can a black person or a Jew be saved and included in what you understand to be Israel? How about other non-white/germanic peoples? Can they be or become part of Jesus' race?

[Sherree]

And you've avoided the question....can a black person or a Jew be saved and included in what you understand to be Israel? How about other non-white/germanic peoples?

Yes, there is some confusion on my part, too, WR. I took it to mean that, No, only whites ( her interpretation of Israelites) can be saved.

[Wiskey Reb]

Yes, there is some confusion on my part, too, WR. I took it to mean that, No, only whites ( her interpretation of Israelites) can be saved.

Kings X and I have indeed already had this discussion. And what he or she seems unwilling to do is give a straight yes or no response...just waffling with opaque doctrinal positions.

But this is making my point better than any of my words could. We may have here a real time example of someone using Christianese to coax agreement while his or her ideas are quite different than what one might expect. A simple straight answer would clarify everything.

[Sherree]

Kings X and I have indeed already had this discussion. And what he seems unwilling to do is give a straight yes or no response...just waffling with opaque doctrinal positions.

But this is making my point better than any of my words could. We may have here a real time example of someone using Christianese to coax agreement while his or her ideas are quite different than what one might expect. A simple straight answer would clarify everything.

I have no knowledge of your past discussion with her, or I don't remember it. Maybe she will clarify for the both of us. The answer should be easy enough.

[Wiskey Reb]

I have no knowledge of your past discussion with her, or I don't remember it. Maybe she will clarify for the both of us. The answer should be easy enough.

Yeah, it should be easy. But if you noticed, there is a pattern. Everyone thinks they are G-d's approved, and everyone has an eschatology that so closely matches all the others that if things develop like most traditions think they will, all eschatologies will seem to be coming true simultaneously. But that's off topic, except for the common denominator that everyone thinks they are right, either about their doctrine or bible choices or their genetic make-up or relationship with G-d.

[Bezukhov]

I wanted a straight answer here. No luck.

http://www.thetreeofliberty.com/vb/s...n-September-23

[Wiskey Reb]

I wanted a straight answer here. No luck.

http://www.thetreeofliberty.com/vb/s...n-September-23

Yep. I saw that thread, Bezzy, and others. Notice how this person never will come right out and say it. She (apparently a girl, go figure) continually waffles on the topic. Apparently she bears a certain shame 0r embarrassment regarding her own positions, as she won't come right out and say what she means. What really amazes me is how many others here seem to not care or think it to be no big deal, or G-d forbid, approve of it. Because very few are calling her out on it.

[KingsX]

KingsX, I have to say that I've never heard an interpretation such as yours before.

Are you saying that you believe that only Israelites (whites) can be saved?

Also, are we now living during the 1000 yr. reign of Christ?

Just asking for clarification.

Instead of just giving a short answer... I took the liberty of giving a detailed Biblical explanation
why God only has one special people, Israelites [yes, they are White] to whom God gave the
promises. Israelites to and for whom Jesus came. Israelites who God foreknew, God justified
and God glorified. The entire Bible revolves around God's relationship with Israel... other races
are mentioned only when they interact with Israelites. In the OT, God was married to Israel
and called Israelites His children.

When the non-Israelite woman came to Jesus for help, the disciples wanted Jesus to send her
away. Jesus told her He was only sent to the lost sheep of Israel. But the woman persisted.
Jesus told her it is not right to take the children's [ie, Israel's] bread and cast it to the dogs.
She didn't argue. She said, yes, Lord, but dogs eat the crumbs that fall from the master's table.
Jesus was impressed with her understanding and granted her request.

The church age, the 1000 year reigning with Christ, has ended. We are now in the terrible time
of Gog/Magog's destroying global hordes invading the lands of God's Christian Israel people who
have regressed into sinful rebellion. This is where God directly intervenes.
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The entire creation groans for the final manifestation of the sons of God [Israelites], their resurrection
and translation into immortal bodies at Jesus' second coming.

[KingsX]

Yep. I saw that thread, Bezzy, and others. Notice how this person never will come right out and say it. She (apparently a girl, go figure) continually waffles on the topic. Apparently she bears a certain shame 0r embarrassment regarding her own positions, as she won't come right out and say what she means. What really amazes me is how many others here seem to not care or think it to be no big deal, or G-d forbid, approve of it. Because very few are calling her out on it.

How ironic... Edomite "Jews" in Jesus' day said similar things about Him.

Their lack of understanding, overt attacks and repeated attempts to kill Jesus proved
they didn't belong to Him because they were descendants of Edomite converts, not Israelites.