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Old 06-02-2013, 07:08 AM
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Default A Lesbian Couple Walks into a Muslim Bakery...

A Lesbian Couple Walks into a Muslim Bakery...

Jack Kemp
June 2, 2013

There is a story on TheBlaze about a refusal by Christian owners of a Portland, Oregon bakery to make a wedding cake for a lesbian couple. The article states:
In February, Aaron and Melissa Klein, owners of Sweet Cakes by Melissa, an Oregon-based bakery, found themselves at the center of a media firestorm after refusing to make a wedding cake for a lesbian couple's ceremony. Nearly four months later, the small business continues to receive threatening and harassing phone calls and e-mails, as they grapple with the ongoing fall-out from their controversial decision...
From claims that Aaron should be shot to one apparent threat that he be raped, the hate and angst being thrown the Klein family's way is certainly serious in nature. Some have even wished for the couple's five children to be stricken with illness.
There was also was what appears to be an improperly filed complaint with the Oregon Dept. of Justice which, for now, has not advanced through the legal system.

After reading this, I recalled a photo I saw as a child of an Arab bakery on Atlantic Avenue in Brooklyn, New York. In a cursory search of the internet, I found a halal market just west of Portland in Beaverton, but no specific bakery listed.

One might ask whether this lesbian couple have gone to the halal market to order meat for their wedding party and inquire about getting that wedding cake with two bride figures on top.

Still, the question exists for other gays across the U.S., angry at this Christian-owned bakery practicing its First Amendment rights: why haven't other gays and lesbians wanting a wedding cake walked into Muslim-owned bakeries and attempted to place an order? Why are all the big, brave activists who find it easy to send the Kleins in Oregon insulting and menacing e-mails all of a sudden "champions of religious freedom and diversity" when it comes to Muslim-owned bakeries across the country? The obvious answer is that such a request would lead to an argument, if not a physical confrontation.

One has to conclude that this couple -- and one of the bride's mothers -- are practicing selective outrage against Christians. Would they go to a Vedic Hindu or Kosher caterer and insist that they prepare a roast pork dinner for the wedding? That question can be answered in two parts. First, there have been no attempts to arrange such a porcine meal reported in the media concerning this now-newsworthy lesbian couple -- and I doubt if there will be such an attempt in the near future. Second, an attempt to ride roughshod over non-Christian religious businesses' practices may well be attempted in the future if the State of Oregon gets away with fining or closing the Kleins' bakery.

The only logical conclusion we can come to is that the lesbians planning their wedding thought that all mainstream bakeries should be required to accommodate their religious preferences (and holding a lesbian wedding is definitely a statement of religious preferences) because the couple believe, as their president (Obama) has famously said, that America is no longer a Christian nation, as this YouTube video shows. The couple probably consider forcing a Christian bakery to do their bidding to also be a non-material benefit from Obama's (famous) stash.

So what type of nation are we now, supposedly? One wonders if the Federal Reserve will soon issue dollar bills with the words "In Obama We Trust" written on them. Better not to give the administration any ideas.

http://www.americanthinker.com/blog/...im_bakery.html
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Old 06-02-2013, 07:11 PM
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Sums it up: "One has to conclude that this couple -- and one of the bride's mothers -- are practicing selective outrage against Christians. Would they go to a Vedic Hindu or Kosher caterer and insist that they prepare a roast pork dinner for the wedding? ."
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So what type of nation are we now, supposedly? One wonders if the Federal Reserve will soon issue dollar bills with the words "In Obama We Trust" written on them. Better not to give the administration any ideas.
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Old 06-03-2013, 09:11 AM
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Aaron Klein doesn't sound like a Christian name to me.
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Old 06-03-2013, 12:43 PM
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Default What happens when muslims go to the Kosher butcher shop?

Business as usual. It happens thousands of times a day.

Kosher is the closest to Halal that many Muslims can find. They find it quite acceptable.
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Old 06-03-2013, 03:16 PM
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Aaron Klein doesn't sound like a Christian name to me.
My grandparents, many aunts, uncles and cousins are Kleins and all are/were Christians.
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Old 06-03-2013, 03:46 PM
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There are a lot of "Messianic Jews" who accept Jesus as their Messiah. In fact, I know of two Messianic temples in Middle Tennessee. I'm sure there are more, but as I'm not part of a Messianic congregation, I haven't searched them out.

Btw, they did it because they hate Christians. Believe me, I am about to have a daughter-in-law who is -- in my opinion -- on the wrong side of this issue.
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Let's see if I got this right... Somewhere, Muslims own a bakery. Maybe not anywhere near these people. They went to a nearby bakery owned by Christians, asked to buy a product, and were informed that it is a product that the owners will not make. So, they decided to try to use the force of government to get the bakery to make the product that they want. Bad form; we probably all agree on that.

Now, where do the Muslims come into this? Because the lesbians chose to attempt to patronize a bakery that happened to be owned by someone of the dominant religion in this country, they are doubly bad because they did not intentionally seek out a bakery owned by Muslims to attempt the same shenanigans?

Maybe because they are apparently Muslim markets? This place was named "Sweet Cakes by Melissa," not "Hot Cross Christian Bakery," or suchlike. It sounds like their targeting process involved perhaps going to Google and looking for nearby bakeries, without a thought about the religious beliefs of the baker.

I guess the implication is that they were out crusading in general and not really in the market for a lesbian wedding cake, but I'm guessing that they really just wanted a cake and are unclear about where their rights end and other peoples' rights begin. Many, possibly even the majority of Americans, are guilty of that.

Anyway, it appears that the government has not intervened, so overall things worked as they should. The bakery asserted their rights and beliefs, the potential customers took their concerns to the marketplace, and the marketplace responded. Some of those responses are despicable, but some are supportive. Odds are, over time the controversy will fade and the bakery will continue to be patronized by people who primarily just want baked goods without much thought about the religious beliefs of the people producing them.

I guess the interesting question is whether they would get more or less requests for lesbian wedding cakes if they changed the name of the bakery to indicate that it is a Christian-owned business.
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Btw, they did it because they hate Christians. Believe me, I am about to have a daughter-in-law who is -- in my opinion -- on the wrong side of this issue.
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Old 06-03-2013, 06:27 PM
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The article's assumption is that a muslim bakery would have been given a pass, but everyone else needs to get with the collectivist program. Not a totally unreasonable assumption, but I agree, that seems to be only an assumption.

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I guess the implication is that they were out crusading in general and not really in the market for a lesbian wedding cake, but I'm guessing that they really just wanted a cake and are unclear about where their rights end and other peoples' rights begin. Many, possibly even the majority of Americans, are guilty of that.

Probably.

I guess the interesting question is whether they would get more or less requests for lesbian wedding cakes if they changed the name of the bakery to indicate that it is a Christian-owned business.
You are implying the owners ought to change the name of the bakery? Why?
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