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Old 08-24-2013, 06:32 PM
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Are Bush and Obama Different from Hitler and Stalin?

Michael S. Rozeff at 15:35 pm EDT on August 22, 2013

French scholar Jacques Ellul is said to have asked a similar question circa 1978: “Is anyone really unable to see the difference between the United States and Hitler or Stalin?” No modern president in 1978 had engaged in mass murder, but several could be charged with getting into unnecessary wars. There was a great difference in political systems, but unfortunately there was also a notable similarity in the claims of sovereignty, territoriality and law-making. There was also a notable tendency for the United States to be adopting fascist and socialist ideas and creating a convergence of the political and economic systems toward those of Hitler and Stalin.

Fast forward 35 years. Today, the question is not so easily brushed off. One can make a very substantial case that the difference between Bush/Obama and Hitler/Stalin has narrowed alarmingly. I am thinking of aggressive wars, torture, show trials, renditions, abasement of rights like due process, attacks on free speech, claims of executive privileges and powers, executive orders, propaganda machinery, claims of the power to assassinate, undeclared wars, excessive executive powers, holding prisoners without trial, favoritism to particular interests, multiplication of arbitrary agencies and bureaucracies, a rising climate of fear, encouraging people to spy on one another, massive surveillance, internal martial policing and searches, and multiplication of laws. This list is no doubt incomplete.
Nazism with its 1,000 year Reich is messianic and so is Communism. U.S. leaders increasingly have adopted messianic goals, another major point of convergence.




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Old 08-24-2013, 06:41 PM
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My picture of Dubya is that he had a ton of bad advice from the Neo-Con advisors/Cabinet foisted off on him by his daddy. Dubya himself, all through his life, has shown himself to be a people-person, the sort of guy you'd like to sit and drink a beer with.

I generally try to assess or analyze the people around a leader, as well as the leader himself. So aside from my view of Dubya, I'm pretty much in accord with negative views of TPTB.
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A greater question ...

Are all non-tribal human civilizations doomed to fall into this totalitarian cycle?
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A greater question ...

Are all non-tribal human civilizations doomed to fall into this totalitarian cycle?

seems that way
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Yes different, they begin with B-O not S-H**
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Are all non-tribal human civilizations doomed to fall into this totalitarian cycle?
DANG YOU!!!

The history books are NOT littered with non-tribal societies that were also not feudal societies.


Gonna hafta think HARD on the progressions there....
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DANG YOU!!!

The history books are NOT littered with non-tribal societies that were also not feudal societies.


Gonna hafta think HARD on the progressions there....
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Oppression-same
killings-same


Nope!!
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Oppression-same
killings-same


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Hmmmm. Who did you vote for in the 2000 Presidential election?

According to the original poster Bush = Hitler.
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I belive the answer is no, but with the degradation of our system of government there very well may be one in the future. dixienet.org is a start to change the beast.
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